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This question is heavily related to two questions you previously answered.
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Especially the latter. I am quite confused.
You repeated the cliche that the reason why military always beats warrior cultures is because the military emphasizes team work while warrior cultures emphasize individual fighting.
However you mentioned "So here's the weird thing. From personal experience I've seen that people from less organized/civilized societies are individually tougher. But people from more organized/civilized societies are much better at cooperating with each others to win."
At the same time however you also mentioned from your NoNoneSenseSelfDefense website.
"If you're lucky, it will just be a bunch of guys with baseball bats and tire irons jumping out of a van. But that is usually the sign of amateur hour. With the professionals, it is a whole lot worse."
"For ease of explanation we have largely talked about muggers and robbers operating as individuals. The unpleasant fact is both often operate in groups. This further complicates the situation because you can often finding yourself facing a mixed group."
And from another AllExpert question you answered.
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"Second of all 'real street gangs' don't 'almost always.' Usually most attacks involve them walking up from the front and getting in someone's face. Then they swarm. This isn't too hard because most people try to get into either a dick measuring contest or show how ruff n' tuff they are to stand up to a gang. Meanwhile the gang gets into attack position and creams the dude. When they do hit from behind, it's usually because the target has tried to walk away. It's the 'victim' who sets up the attack from behind, not the gang. "
Indeed I can understand why the asker of the second link mentions Algerian peasants doing well-coordinated attacks..... Because this makes me question the claim of warrior cultures emphasizing "individual fighters".
I mean you already mention criminal groups like muggers working in well-coordinated attacks. As in they can quickly flank you as though they were performing a military maneuver (and indeed the way you showed it in one of your early videos resembles a military style ambush).
Quite recently I saw a prison riot. Despite the fact many prison fights (at the lower levels esp country) tend to be one-on-one, prisoners were really fighting against one another-not only as gangs. But utilizing teamwork. The vid I saw showed one prisoner pinning a policeman while his buddies stab said cop to death.
Now I should clarify this took place in a less severe prison. We're talking about a prison so low on the "danger list" that there is not a single major gang such as MS13 stationed in large numbers. The warden specifically did all possible measures to prevent criminal activity and thus gangs are not formed and prison rape is practically nonexistent. Hell witht he exception of the more dangerous convicts (housed in another section sharing rooms), most prisoners LIVE in single rooms isolated from one another and the only contact they have is during lunch and recreation time so obviously the necessary bonding required to form gangs is not there.
Despite that,the prisoners were able to work together like a team when they were taking on policeman with tactics such as "I hold this policeman in a rearchoke while you stab him" and "we form shield walls using lunch trays to defend ourselves against projectiles the cops are firing at us"!
The worst part? This is a WHITE COLLAR PRISON and most of the inhabitants are not known to be violent prior to incarceration. In addition to lack of enough contact among one another to develop hardcore gangs who typically coordinate to jump opponents, etc.
In addition in a riot I read that took place in California during the early 1900s, Californians were not only attacking in groups that did basic teamwork such as stomping one man one the ground, some rioters even did planned attacks at certain towers and buildings with police stationed in it before the actual riot happened. As in we're talking about "send in commandos to cut communication" type of raids by some rioters which require superb cooperation.
So along with your description of criminal groups working in coordinated packs, when I review this riot I read and rewatch the prison video, it makes me doubt the notions that "warrior cultures" lose because they are so busy dueling one-on-one.
I won't deny cultures emphasizing military rather than warrior castes such as the Roman Legions have far superior teamwork than say a Gaulish horseman or 8th century knight and thus will lose in the end.
But if rioters and prisoners are able to utilize teamwork despite having an MO of fighting one-on-one, why aren't warrior cultures and hunter tribes able to use teamwork?
I mean is the notion of for example a Celtic Warrior engaging in a melee with a Roman Legionnaire while his fellow friend goes behind and behead the Roman soldier such a foreign idea because of how much Celtic warfare emphasize warrior traditions and individual fighting?
I just find it ridiculous a Mahican wouldn't have the common sense to try to get his buddies to throw stones at a Colonist while said Mahican swings his ax and successfully cracks the skull of several colonists because they were distracted by stones and spears being thrown at them.
But I lack knowledge in history. My statements so far is just based on common sense because even you said non-military trained groups like some drunks in a bar are not easy to fight off because they can easily slam your head on the table while the rest of of them is kicking you down and the Californian riot and prisoners pinning down cops and forming shield walls using lunch trays just makes me question the notion of barbarians and similar cultures as being literally "individual duelists" who are so unfamiliar with teamwork that they don't even consider something as simple as surrounding better organized opponents and hitting behind while some warriors clash face-to-face.
You mentioned differences in rules of engagement which confuses me further.
Are warrior cultures and other less organized societies really so individualistic that not even in lesser violence (such as a fight at the restaurant) would they consider having friends stomp on the guy who just threw a drink at you?
en.allexperts.com/q/Self-Defen…
en.allexperts.com/q/Self-Defen…
Especially the latter. I am quite confused.
You repeated the cliche that the reason why military always beats warrior cultures is because the military emphasizes team work while warrior cultures emphasize individual fighting.
However you mentioned "So here's the weird thing. From personal experience I've seen that people from less organized/civilized societies are individually tougher. But people from more organized/civilized societies are much better at cooperating with each others to win."
At the same time however you also mentioned from your NoNoneSenseSelfDefense website.
"If you're lucky, it will just be a bunch of guys with baseball bats and tire irons jumping out of a van. But that is usually the sign of amateur hour. With the professionals, it is a whole lot worse."
"For ease of explanation we have largely talked about muggers and robbers operating as individuals. The unpleasant fact is both often operate in groups. This further complicates the situation because you can often finding yourself facing a mixed group."
And from another AllExpert question you answered.
en.allexperts.com/q/Self-Defen…
"Second of all 'real street gangs' don't 'almost always.' Usually most attacks involve them walking up from the front and getting in someone's face. Then they swarm. This isn't too hard because most people try to get into either a dick measuring contest or show how ruff n' tuff they are to stand up to a gang. Meanwhile the gang gets into attack position and creams the dude. When they do hit from behind, it's usually because the target has tried to walk away. It's the 'victim' who sets up the attack from behind, not the gang. "
Indeed I can understand why the asker of the second link mentions Algerian peasants doing well-coordinated attacks..... Because this makes me question the claim of warrior cultures emphasizing "individual fighters".
I mean you already mention criminal groups like muggers working in well-coordinated attacks. As in they can quickly flank you as though they were performing a military maneuver (and indeed the way you showed it in one of your early videos resembles a military style ambush).
Quite recently I saw a prison riot. Despite the fact many prison fights (at the lower levels esp country) tend to be one-on-one, prisoners were really fighting against one another-not only as gangs. But utilizing teamwork. The vid I saw showed one prisoner pinning a policeman while his buddies stab said cop to death.
Now I should clarify this took place in a less severe prison. We're talking about a prison so low on the "danger list" that there is not a single major gang such as MS13 stationed in large numbers. The warden specifically did all possible measures to prevent criminal activity and thus gangs are not formed and prison rape is practically nonexistent. Hell witht he exception of the more dangerous convicts (housed in another section sharing rooms), most prisoners LIVE in single rooms isolated from one another and the only contact they have is during lunch and recreation time so obviously the necessary bonding required to form gangs is not there.
Despite that,the prisoners were able to work together like a team when they were taking on policeman with tactics such as "I hold this policeman in a rearchoke while you stab him" and "we form shield walls using lunch trays to defend ourselves against projectiles the cops are firing at us"!
The worst part? This is a WHITE COLLAR PRISON and most of the inhabitants are not known to be violent prior to incarceration. In addition to lack of enough contact among one another to develop hardcore gangs who typically coordinate to jump opponents, etc.
In addition in a riot I read that took place in California during the early 1900s, Californians were not only attacking in groups that did basic teamwork such as stomping one man one the ground, some rioters even did planned attacks at certain towers and buildings with police stationed in it before the actual riot happened. As in we're talking about "send in commandos to cut communication" type of raids by some rioters which require superb cooperation.
So along with your description of criminal groups working in coordinated packs, when I review this riot I read and rewatch the prison video, it makes me doubt the notions that "warrior cultures" lose because they are so busy dueling one-on-one.
I won't deny cultures emphasizing military rather than warrior castes such as the Roman Legions have far superior teamwork than say a Gaulish horseman or 8th century knight and thus will lose in the end.
But if rioters and prisoners are able to utilize teamwork despite having an MO of fighting one-on-one, why aren't warrior cultures and hunter tribes able to use teamwork?
I mean is the notion of for example a Celtic Warrior engaging in a melee with a Roman Legionnaire while his fellow friend goes behind and behead the Roman soldier such a foreign idea because of how much Celtic warfare emphasize warrior traditions and individual fighting?
I just find it ridiculous a Mahican wouldn't have the common sense to try to get his buddies to throw stones at a Colonist while said Mahican swings his ax and successfully cracks the skull of several colonists because they were distracted by stones and spears being thrown at them.
But I lack knowledge in history. My statements so far is just based on common sense because even you said non-military trained groups like some drunks in a bar are not easy to fight off because they can easily slam your head on the table while the rest of of them is kicking you down and the Californian riot and prisoners pinning down cops and forming shield walls using lunch trays just makes me question the notion of barbarians and similar cultures as being literally "individual duelists" who are so unfamiliar with teamwork that they don't even consider something as simple as surrounding better organized opponents and hitting behind while some warriors clash face-to-face.
You mentioned differences in rules of engagement which confuses me further.
Are warrior cultures and other less organized societies really so individualistic that not even in lesser violence (such as a fight at the restaurant) would they consider having friends stomp on the guy who just threw a drink at you?
Barbarians Warrior Culture and Team Work
This question is heavily related to two questions you previously answered.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Self-Defense-2265/2015/7/winning-battle-surviving-combat.htm
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Self-Defense-2265/2015/12/people-working-non-violent.htm
Especially the latter. I am quite confused.
You repeated the cliche that the reason why military always beats warrior cultures is because the military emphasizes team work while warrior cultures emphasize individual fighting.
However you mentioned "So here's the weird thing. From personal experience I've seen that people from less organized/civilized societies are individually tougher. But peopl
Running Best Self Defense
BUT going on another end of the spectrum, there is a growing trend by a lot of people saying that because fighting is such a pain in the ass that even if you win, you'd have to face lawsuits (even in genuine self defense situations especially if the crook is a good liar)....... There is now a MAXIM just RUN LIKE HELL. On another question you mentioned how its a huge mistake to simply thinking pumping up and getting huge muscles will deter any violence from happening to you (despite that being the popular trend for decades for bullied people trying to learn how to handle their everyday bullies)........ Now the very recent tend is to "condition
FOOTWORK and Defenses over Running
I had to bring up the Joe manga because its the best explanation of the marketing of "footwork being superior" way of escaping from dangerous people trying to hurt you and you wishing to avoid an encounter.
OK I get your point indeed RUN LIKE HELL better as first resort.
The main reason I had to bring up the Rikishi footwork thing is simply because it in addition to bringing up a launcher and the Ashita No Joe manga because (indeed I was so shocked with how accurately it reflects many of the BS repeated in the self defense world) as the manga progresses and Joe finally starts learning footwork, so much nods and even pointers go back to the
Swiss Knife Incident n FIGHTING over useless SHIT
This is a thing I notice and reading the "Bleacher Thinking" article in the link made by Marc Macyoung. reinforces my anecdotes. I notice when two groups are feuding each other in the Bleachers MENTALITY-in particular if these groups have been at each other for generations already (in some cases having feuds that have been ongoing for entire centuries)-I notice they OFTEN savagely FIGHT each other over minor shit no one with a life would care about from which country or tribe (or whatever level of organized group) can PRODUCE better video gamers to which country has the superior economy.
More often than not the verbal arguments become physi
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